06-23-08 PC Minutes
Regular Meeting of the
Golden Valley Planning Commission
June 23, 2008
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was held at the Golden Valley City Hall,
Council Chambers, 7800 Golden Valley Road, Golden Valley, Minnesota, on Monday, June
23, 2008. Vice Chair Waldhauser called the meeting to order at 7 pm.
Those present were Planning Commissioners Cera, Eck, Kluchka, McCarty, Schmidgall
and Waldhauser. Also present was Director of Planning and Development Mark Grimes,
City Planner Joe Hogeboom, Environmental Coordinator AI Lundstrom and Administrative
Assistant Lisa Wittman. Chair Keysser was absent.
1. Approval of Minutes
June 9, 2008 Regular Planning Commission Meeting
Eck noted several typographical errors.
MOVED by Eck, seconded by Cera and motion carried unanimously to approve the June
9,2008 minutes with the corrections noted by Eck.
2. Continued Item - Minor Subdivision - Lots 11 &12, Block 3, Glen Urban Addition
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Applicant: DiGiacomo Homes
Address: Lots 11 & 12, Block 3, Glen Urban Addition
Purpose: The subdivision would create three separate lots to allow for the
construction of three new homes
Waldhauser reminded the Commission that this subdivision request was tabled at their
May 28, 2008 meeting in order to obtain further information regarding the City's tree
preservation requirements and to get an update on a drainage study that was done in the
area in the past.
Grimes stated that the City's Environmental Coordinator, AI Lundstrom is available to talk
to the Planning Commission about the City's tree preservation requirements. He referred
to the updated drainage study done by SEH Consulting and stated that they don't feel that
the proposed development would cause any significant changes to the existing storm
water issues however, they do recommend that best management practices are followed.
He suggested that a condition of approval be added regarding the requirement of a rain
garden, infiltration basin or some sort of water retention system.
Eck stated that he was disappointed that Lundstrom's memo regarding tree preservation
requirements didn't address the interconnected root issue and how oak wilt could spread
from tree to tree. He said he spoke with Mr. Lundstrom about oak wilt and was told that it
could be an issue in April, Mayor June but that the beetle that causes oak wilt is dormant
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after June. He stated that at their previous meeting for this proposal there was concern for
the large, old oak trees in this area. He added that those oak trees were there before the
houses that exist there now were built so it has to be possible to build houses without
wiping out all the oak trees.
Waldhauser said she would like more information regarding the tree inventory. Lundstrom
explained that there is no requirement for the applicant to do a tree inventory for this type
of development. He stated that the applicant has provided a very preliminary, informal
tree inventory, but more detailed information will be required when the applicant applies
for building permits.
Waldhauser asked Lundstrom if he could comment on the oak trees in the area and how
many could possibly be removed or damaged with this development. Lundstrom
explained that the amount of trees removed or damaged depends on the footprint and
location of the proposed houses on the lots. He stated that he has had discussions with
the applicant about the potential development and he feels it is feasible to build under the
current tree preservation requirements. There will be impacts, but they can be minimized.
He explained that oak wilt is always a concern in development and redevelopment. He
explained that if a tree is wounded in April, Mayor June it should be treated with wound
dressing to help prevent oak wilt. He added that oak wilt can only spread to like species
for example red oak to red oak or white oak to white oak and that Golden Valley is an
urban forest with a mix of trees. He explained that if the oak trees are close enough
together or their roots are grafted together then the fungus could possibly move up to 50
to 100 feet in a year or two.
Cera asked how the City ensures that tree preservation plans are followed. Lundstrom
explained that a building permit is not issued until the tree preservation permit is
approved.
Waldhauser asked how a tree is a determined to be a "significant tree". Lundstrom stated
that for hardwoods a significant tree is 6 inches in diameter at the base and for softwoods
a significant tree is 12 inches in diameter at the base. He added that for this particular
development the allowable maximum removal of trees before mitigation is required is
20%.
Kluchka asked Lundstrom to discuss his findings regarding the preliminary tree
preservation plan. Lundstrom said it is feasible to build on these proposed lots without
significant mitigation or no mitigation depending of the type of homes built and the
location of the homes on the lots.
McCarty asked Lundstrom if he could estimate the average age ofthe trees in this area.
Lundstrom said no and that it varies quite a bit. There is a large variety of trees including
some old oaks and some new due to more recent developments.
Kluchka asked if removing trees would affect the surface water drainage issues.
Lundstrom stated that there is no information available regarding trees effect on surface
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water drainage. He said his inclination is that the removal of 20% of the trees would have
minimal to no affect on storm water issues.
Schmidgall stated that if a developer can remove 20% of the trees and there were 30
trees on these lots the developer could remove 6 trees over the course of developing
these 3 lots. Lundstrom clarified that the threshold for mitigation is 20%. If less than 20%
of the significant trees are removed, the applicant does not have to mitigate. If more than
20% of the significant trees are removed, the applicant would have to mitigate.
Grimes suggested that Waldhauser read aloud the memo from SEH regarding the
requested updated drainage study. Waldhauser read the memo and summarized that
SEH concludes that the proposed changes and development will be insignificant but that
some sort of storm water reduction practice such rain garden or bio-retention basin would
fit nicely in this proposal. Grimes suggested adding a condition of approval stating that the
developer should work with the Public Works Department regarding SEH's
recommendations.
Kluchka referred to the pond in the area and asked how the City could help mitigate the
drainage issues in this neighborhood. Grimes explained that in order to mitigate any
issues with the pond the neighbors could petition the City for an improvement project to
have a pump installed, the cost of which would be assessed to the benefiting property
owners. He explained that the drainage study has been done and updated in order to
make sure that this proposal won't increase or exacerbate the current issues. Waldhauser
added that there are also things homeowners can do themselves to help reduce water
problems.
Mike Schock, 4316 Glencrest Road, stated that in conjunction with his neighbor, Judy
Stinson, they had a tree study done by Rainbow Tree Care. He submitted study for the
record. He stated that it would be difficult to replace the old oaks so he is more concerned
about preservation. He noted that there is no immediate danger to his trees but the
Rainbow Tree Care study suggests that if trees become sick or wounded it can be
destructive to the whole forest. He said he wants the City to be very aggressive regarding
tree preservation requirements and he wants it to be economically painful for people
removing trees.
Brant Pallazza, 4101 Glencrest Road, asked the Planning Commission if they have seen
the topography on these lots. He said based on the topography he doesn't know how
houses could be built there without flattening the lots. He said he is concerned about the
preservation of wildlife. He loves the deer that hang out at the pond and migrate through
these properties and developing these lots will significantly change the deer's migration
paths. He added that he wants to make sure these homes are designed to be
aesthetically pleasing because they will be corner lots and will stick out like a sore thumb
if they are not.
Bobbie Conner, 244 Janalyn Circle, said she's been asked by several neighbors to speak
about a report written by Robert Burke (4223 Glencrest Road). She submitted copies of
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the report to the Planning Commission. She highlighted the five major points from the
report as follows: 1) In the promotional piece done by Mr. DiGiacomo the "front" of the
home on proposed Lot C is on Janalyn Circle, not on Glencrest Road which is the
narrower side of the lot; 2) The issue of steep slopes occurs in this proposal. The street
drops 30 feet over 170 feet in length; 3) The issue of excessive wetness occurs in this
proposal. People have had wet basements and yards and she has had to drive around
water in the streets to get to her house; 4) A government agency such as the Bassett
Creek Watershed Management Commission has not been included in this review and; 5)
There is a question if Mr. DiGiacomo is legally capable of granting easements because he
is not, at the present time, the owner of all the lots. She submitted a list of 40 names that
support Mr. Burkes' report and asked that the Planning Commission do their job and deny
this request. She added that she needs to see much more detailed plans from Mr.
DiGiacomo.
Gene Hollister, 240 Janalyn Circle, submitted photos of the area and discussed how after
it rains there are streams of water two to three feet in width going down the street. He
said there are only two drains in the street to service the entire area and these proposed
new houses will increase the strain on the sewer system. He stated that these proposed
new homes are supposed to be in the style of the neighborhood and there is no evidence
of that in this case. He stated that many of people have raised environmental concerns
and asked if rain gardens would increase the mosquito population and at what point
environmental issues become feasible. He added that creating four homes where there
were two also increases the population.
Yvonne Fredericks, 300 Janalyn Circle, said she doesn't understand why, when a person
buys a lot, there has to be so many people involved. She said she has lived in this area a
long time and has not seen any of the water problems people have been talking about.
She stated that the applicant has bought a very nice piece of property, full of dead trees
that need to be cleaned up. She said the developer has been very nice and she doesn't
quite understand why there has been so much discussion in the neighborhood because it
is not that big of a deal. She doesn't want this developer blamed for any water problems
in the area because that is something the group in the neighborhood should have taken
care of a long time ago. She reiterated that she thinks a lot of the trees on these lots need
to be taken down and she just wants to see the anxiety in the neighborhood go away.
Joe Mucha, 236 Janalyn Circle, said he does not object to the proposed subdivision as
long as it meets city requirements. He stated that he and his neighbor, Jeff Nordstrom,
have put in about $12,000 worth of water removal equipment at their own expense with
the City Engineer's approval. He feels he has done his part and now the City needs to do
what it's supposed to do when the water comes.
Rich Baker, 224 Janalyn Circle, said that if the comments received are not applied to this
project they should be considered for future action. He said that there were a lot of trees
removed from these lots by builders that preceded this one. He agreed that there should
be a stronger disincentive to remove trees. He referred to the updated drainage study and
said it was disappointing in its scope because it only looked at impervious surface
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coverage, not compaction, erosion and steep slopes. He said the City is doing a very poor
job in assessing the hydrology report.
Helga Thielen, 400 Janalyn Circle, said she is asking the City to deny this subdivision
request. She said the proposal would increase density and she bought her house
because of the large size of the lots. She said the impact from this development would be
wide reaching because there are several lots in the area that could be subdivided so it
would be wise for the City Council to deny this request.
Judy Stinson, 4308 Glencrest Road, said she has encountered in the neighborhood the
belief that this subdivision is already a done deal because of the applicant's literature.
She said she supports Mr. Burke's report and requested that the items in the report be
addressed because many developers can not be trusted to preserve the trees. She asked
that going forward "more teeth" be put into the City's tree preservation and mitigation
requirements because there is not much of a financial cost involved for people removing
trees.
Brant Pallazza, 4101 Glencrest Road, stated that several trees have been removed from
these properties prior to this developer's request. He asked how those trees are included
in the total tree count.
Seeing and hearing no one else wishing to comment, Waldhauser closed the public
hearing.
Kluchka said from what he has observed it seems that neighborhood covenants might be
a better way to handle issues like density, trees, wildlife and tree mitigation. Grimes
stated that the City doesn't require neighborhoods to have covenants but in this case the
applicant could have the three new homeowners form an association. He reiterated that
there will be a subdivision development agreement to address the issues of grade and
tree preservation among other things.
Waldhauser said it is possible for the neighbors to form an association but there would
have to be 100% buy in with all of the neighbors and in her experience covenants create
more burden on city staff.
Kluchka asked about environmental impact studies. Grimes stated that this proposal does
not meet the threshold to require an environmental impact study. He added that this
proposal also doesn't meet the threshold for the Bassett Creek Water Management
Commission to review but the City does follow their best management practices.
Kluchka asked at what point the grading plans are done. Grimes stated that the grading
plans are done during the building permit process. However, in this case the City has
asked the applicant to show preliminary grading. He added that the elevation of the
foundations will also be set in the subdivision development agreement. Cera clarified that
the grade is set in the subdivision development agreement but the grading plan is done
during the building permit process.
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Kluchka asked what excessive wetness means. Grimes stated that there are ways to
mitigate wetness on properties. He said excessive wetness is rare unless a property is in
a wetland area. Kluchka asked if wetness refers more to protecting the foundation of
buildings. Grimes said yes.
Waldhauser suggested the Planning Commission take the concerns they have heard and
see what additional support the City can give people to help them solve their own
drainage problems. She said she agrees with the updated drainage study done by SEH
and with staff reports.
Eck stated that this is a "who do you believe" type of situation because the neighbors
think the grade, the drainage and the build-ability of these lots is going to cause severe
problems but there are professional staff and consultants saying these same issues are
manageable. He said he has to accept the professional reliability of city staff.
Cera asked if certain trees can be singled out not to be removed. Grimes stated that the
tree preservation ordinances states that any number of trees can be removed but if more
than 20% of the trees are removed then mitigation has to be done.
DiGiacomo stated that one of the lots has four oak trees which have significant value and
will be saved. He noted that the other lots have elm trees on them that he also wants to
save. He stated that he wants to do whatever it takes to make sure the trees survive.
McCarty said subdivision requests are always difficult because there is a strong turn out
of people against these types of developments but if the proposals meet the City's
requirements they are hard to deny. He referred to a comment made about the aesthetics
of the proposed new houses and stated that Golden Valley does not have any
architectural design standards. However, he thinks that the developer has incentive to
keep the houses within the character of the neighborhood even though there is a large
diversity of house styles in this area. He said he is in support of this proposal.
Schmidgall said he is also inclined to support this proposal. He said he wants to make
sure that the significant trees remain but feels that the tree preservation requirements will
handle it. He said he feels that if these properties provide their own storm water
management they won't add to the existing drainage issues in the area. Grimes reiterated
that storm water management will be a part of the subdivision development agreement.
Kluchka asked that the report written by Mr. Burke be forwarded to the City Council.
Grimes said he and the City Attorney will review the report and forward it to the City
Council.
MOVED by McCarty, seconded by Eck and motion carried unanimously to recommend
approval of the minor subdivision of Lots 11 & 12, Block 3, Glen Urban Addition in order
to create three separate lots to allow for the construction of three new homes subject to
the following conditions:
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1) The applicant will work with the Public Works Department regarding a run-off retention
system
2) The final plat of this proposed minor subdivision (yet to be named) will be consistent
with the preliminary plan submitted with the minor subdivision application.
3) The recommendations in the memo from City Engineer Jeff Oliver, PE, to Mark
Grimes, Director of Planning and Development and dated May 19, 2008, shall become
a part of this approval.
4) A park dedication fee shall be paid in an amount approved by the City Council at time
of final plat approval.
5) Individual Tree Preservation Plans shall be submitted for the development of each of
the proposed lots at time of building permit application.
6) A Subdivision Agreement will be drafted for review and approval by the City Council
that includes issues found in the City Engineer's memo dated May 19, 2008.
Grimes suggested that the neighborhood also work with the Public Works Department
and/or the Environmental Commission regarding the City's tree preservation
requirements.
---Short Recess---
3. Reports on Meetings of the Housing and Redevelopment Authority, City
Council, Board of Zoning Appeals and other Meetings
No other meetings were discussed.
4. Other Business
No other business was discussed.
5. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 8:45 pm.
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