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MINUTES OF THE GOLDEN VALLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION
November 14, 1983
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was held in the Council Chambers
of the Civic Center, 7800 Golden Valley Road, Golden Valley, Minnesota.
Chairman Thompson called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
Those present were Commissioners Forster, Leppik, Polachek, Prazak, Singer,
Thompson and Tubman.
Also present were Mike Miller, Planning and Redevelopment Coordinator, and
Alda Peikert, Assistant Planner.
I . Approval of Minutes - October 24, 1983
It was moved by Commissioner Leppik, seconded by Commissioner Polachek and
carried unanimously to approve the minutes of the October 24, 1983 Planning
Commission meeting as recorded.
II. Call for Informal Public Hearin - PUD #43, Schnecks
irehouse Addit�on
APPLICANT: Ronald J . Schneck
LOCATION: Northwest corner of Lindsay Street and
North Lilac Drive
REQUEST: Approval of Preliminary Design Plan for
PUD #43, Schnecks Firehouse Addition
Chairman Thompson introduced this agenda item.
It was moved by Commissioner Singer, seconded by Commissioner Prazak and
carried unanimously to set an informal public hearing date of November 28,
1983 for consideration of the Preliminary Design Plan of PUD #43, Schnecks
Firehouse Addition.
III. Discussion and Outline of Procedures Involved in Amending the
Comprehensive P an
Chairman Thompson introduced this agenda item and reviewed the City Council
resolution requesting Planning Commission review of the status of Duluth Street
and designation of Duluth Street in the Comprehensive Plan. Chairman Thompson
stated that the Planning Commision has three options for action:
1. Initiate study at this time by the full Commission.
2. Initiate study at this time by a three member committee of
Planning Commissioners.
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3. Defer study until such time as the total Comprehensive Plan
is scheduled for updating.
Planning and Redevelopment Coordinator Mike Miller stated that according to
State Statute only the Planning Commission can amend the Comprehensive Plan.
When the City Council initiates consideration of an amendment by resolution,
the Planning Commission may respond in one of two ways:
1. The Planning Commission may draft an amendment, hold a public
hearing on the amendment, adopt the amendment and refer it to
the City Council .
2. The Planning Commission may recommend against amendment and
provide documentation for its negative recommendation. The
City Council rrxi�st then plead its case with the Planning
Commission if it desires an amendment. According to State
Statute, the Planning Commission is the only body with the
authority to prepare Plan amendments.
Mr. Miller stated that in the case of either response, the Planning Commission
position should be well documented including input from all affected jurisdic-
tions.
Commissioner Singer observed that it appears that documentation is more impor-
tant in the event that the Planning Commission decides to prepare an amendment.
Mr. Miller stated that documentation is important in either case.
Commissioner Prazak stated that it was his impression that City Council intent
was to provide an opportunity for citizen input into the process. Mr. Miller
suggested that the Planning Commission has the option of holding a public
meeting at any point in the process whether or not a Comprehensive Plan amend-
ment is drafted. Notice could be sent to residents that the Planning
Commission will receive citizen input at such a meeting.
Chairman Thompson suggested that direction to the Planning Commission in the
RESOLVED clause of the City Council resolution requests review of Comprehensive
Plan designation of Duluth Street but does not suggest that the Planning
Commission consider justification for construction of remaining segments of
Duluth Street. Chairman Thompson stated that he does not feel that the
question of construction of Duluth Street is a Planning Commission matter.
Commissioner Tubman suggested that there is need for a hearing in either event
with or without a Comprehensive Plan amendment. Commissioner Tubman questioned
whether the Planning Commission has the option of deferring study of the
Duluth Street issue in light of the resolution by the City Council . Chairman
Thompson stated that the Planning Commission can always refer a matter back to
the City Council with a recommendation of deferral .
Commissioner Singer asked whether there would be duplication of costs and
effort in studying the Duluth Street question now and then reviewing it again
when the Comprehensive Plan is due for updating. Commissioner Tubman asked
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the reason for targeting Duluth Street for accelerated attention. Commissioner
Prazak stated that he feels City Council initiation of the study was in
response to resident input concerning the current Duluth Street construction
project. Commissioner Prazak stated his impression that the City Council is
expecting a Planning Commission recommendation in response to their resolution
sooner than in two years.
Mr. Miller observed that even if the Duluth Street designation is changed from
Collector to Local street, completion of the street would result in similar
neighborhood opposition. Mr. Miller suggested that if residents understand
that there is no plan to build further segments of the street in the next five
to ten years, then possibly there would be acceptance of the classification.
Commissioner Tubman suggested that an additional reason for deferral might be
unknown effects of I-394 construction on Highway 55 and areas to the north.
Chairman Thompson observed that construction of Duluth Street is tied to
upgrading of Medieine Lake Road, which will not occur until the Cities of
Crystal , New Hope and Golden Valley agree to a four lane road. Chairman
Thompson stated that this would not happen for five to ten years. Chairman
Thompson further observed that the key to construction of Duluth Street is
development of the General Mills property.
Cor�nissioner Prazak stated that residents believed that there would be no
further construction of Duluth Street until upgrading of Medicine Lake Road,
but that at City staff initiation a two block segment of Duluth Street is
currently under construction. The neighborhood did not desire the construc-
tion project, and due to the Collector status the specifications call for
greater street width. Residents wish assurance that there will be no further
construction of Duluth Street.
Commissioner Forster asked how Duluth Street became a Collector in the
Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Miller recalled that the Planning Commission formed
subcommittees for preparation of the various sections of the Comprehensive
Plan. The Transportation Subcommittee studied the street classification
system and determined eventual need of a Collector at that point in the City.
Mr. Miller added that staff has requested in writing State clarification of
the State Aid status of Duluth Street in the event the Collector designation
is removed.
Chairman Thompson observed that State aid becomes an issue only if the
Planning Commission determines that removal of the Collector designation is
preferable. Chairman Thompson stated that the first decision to be made is
when to initiate the study. Secondly, Chairman Thompson stated that the
Planning Commission should consider only the Collector status and not the
question of construction.
Commissioner Leppik suggested that eventual construction is presumed if recom-
mendation is made that Duluth Street remain a Collector.
Chairman Thompson observed that the Collector/Local designation determines the
width of the street if and when constructed, not whether the street should be
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constructed. If the General Mills property is developed, then the street must
be constructed. If the street is constructed, then the decision is whether
the amount of traffic justifies Collector status.
Commissioner Prazak asked the role of staff in obtaining required background
information for the study and whether there is enough information available
without initiating further traffic studies. Mr. Miller stated that required
background information would include review of potential development ofi adja-
cent areas, examination of routing of traffic from potential development loca-
tions to major traffic corridors, determination of locations where traffic
would build if Duluth Street is not completed, and also consideration of
effects on transit provision. Mr. Miller stated that adequate information is
available from the City, County and Minnesota Department of Transportation
(MnDOT).
Chairman Thompson stated his concern that there is no more information
available now than at the time the Comprehensive Plan was prepared, specifi-
cally concerning development of General Mills property. Chairman Thompson
stated that the choice is whether to initiate a study at this time or to tell
the City Council that the Planning Commission does not feel a study at this
time would be profitable. Chairman Thompson suggested that perhaps the
Planning Commission should see what information is available and then decide.
Mr. Miller stated that the study, including staff collection of information
and Planning Commission consideration, would take six months and that the
Planning Commission would not be ready for a hearing by the end of the year.
Commissioner Prazak suggested that since the study will take considerable
time, the Planning Commission should not delay but should initiate the study
and proceed at a reasonable pace.
It was moved by Commissioner Prazak and seconded by Commissioner Tubman to ask
staff to proceed with assemby from appropriate sources, including other
governmental bodies, information readily available, without initiation of new
studies, for the purpose of reaching a determination of whether amendment of
the Collector status of Duluth Street in the Comprehensive Plan is
appropriate.
Commissioner Forster asked whether there are any other developable lands
besides the General Mills property in the area of Duluth Street. Mr. Miller
stated that there are only a few lots in addition to the General Mills pro-
perty.
Chairman Thompson asked how long it would take for staff to assemble the
information requested. Mr. Miller replied that it would take several months.
A vote was taken, and the motion carried unanimously.
Chairman Thompson stated that he would contact Mr. Stan Tabor, General Mills,
to see if he could get any kind of reading on the timing of development of the
General Mills property and on potential future use of the property.
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IV. Report on City Council Meeting - November 1, 1983
Commissioner Prazak provided the Planning Commission with a report on the
November 1, 1983 City Council meeting.
V. Report on HRA Meeting - November 7, 1983
Chairman Thompson provided the Planning Cor�nission with a report on the
November 7, 1983 meeting of the Housing and Redevelopment Authority (HRA).
VI. Report on BZA Meeting - November 10, 1983
Commissioner Polachek stated that he did not have a report on the November 10,
1983 meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) because he was not in atten-
dance and the minutes were not out as yet.
VIII. Attendance at Annual Planning Institute and Land Use Planning
Workshops
Chairman Thompson introduced this item, and staff confirmed that the City
would pay the tuition for Planning Commissioner attendance at the Annual
Planning Institute or Land Use Planning Workshops. Interested Commissioners
were advised to notify staff of plans to attend.
Commissioner Singer asked that the minutes reflect congratulations from the
Planning Commission to Chai,rman Thompson on his ascendancy to the City
Council .
The meeting was adjourned at 8:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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