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Minutes of the Golden Valley
Planning Commission
September 9, 1996
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was held at the Golden Valley City Hall, Council
Chambers, 7800 Golden Valley Road, Golden Valley, Minnesota. The meeting was called to order
by Chair Prazak at 7pm.
Those present were Commissioners Groger, Johnson, Kapsner, Lewis, McAleese, Pentel and
Prazak. Also present were Mark Grimes, Director of Planning and Development, Beth Knoblauch,
City Planner, and Mary Dold, Recording Secretary.
Approval of Minutes - Au ust 12, 1996
MOVED by Pentel, seconded by McAleese and motion carried unanimously to approve the
August 12, 1996 minutes as submitted.
II. Informal Public Hearing -Minor Subdivision
Applicant: Paul S. Olin
Address: Two lots south and southeast of 6900 Harold Avenue
Purpose: To combine two lots in the Residential Zoning District
City Planner Beth Knoblauch gave a summary of Mr. Olin's request commenting to the
Commission that he has amended his request by eliminating the addition of his lot at 6900 Harold
Avenue in this request because of a variance situation. Mr. Olin was proposing to take a .portion of
the vacant lot, to the south of his lot, and add this to the lot where his house is located. Mr. Olin is
now requesting only to have the two vacant lots located to the south and southeast of his property
consolidated. City Planner Knoblauch reviewed a portion of a half section map showing Mr. Olin's
property at 6900 .Harold Avenue, the vacant lot and the city-owned vacant lot.
Ms. Knoblauch reviewed seven factors in City Code that need to be met in order for this minor
subdivision to be approved. City Planner Knoblauch reviewed the required easements and the
necessary review by other agencies, as noted in her staff memo to the Commission. The City
Engineerir7g Department has not yet made a final determination of easements; there is a storm
sewer that runs through the city-owned land and this easement will need to be maintained.
Because Glenwood Avenue is a County road, staff believe that the county will ask for seven (7)
feet of right-of-way .
City Planner Knoblauch told the Commission that staff is recommending approval of Mr. Olin's
request to consolidate these two southern vacant lots with. the following conditions:
• Prior to approval of the final plat, the City Engineer shall make a determination as to whether
the area of the Harold Avenue cul-de-sac must be included in the plat.
Prior to approval of the final plat, the City Engineer shall make a final determination as to
appropriate location of easements.
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• If stated as a requirement by Hennepin County, an additional seven feet of right-of-way shall
be dedicated all along Glenwood Avenue.
• If the City Attorney determines that a review of title is necessary, it shall be done at the
expense of the applicant per City Code requirement.
Chair Prazak asked staff if it was unusual that the applicant did not mention what he intended to
use the lot for. Ms. Knoblauch commented that it is not a requirement to state the intent for the
use of the newly created lot; it is zoned single-family residential and is developable.
Mr. Paul Olin, applicant,-commented that he had no immediate plans for the proposed
consolidated lot.
Chair Prazak opened the informal public hearing; seeing and hearing no one, Chair Prazak closed
the informal public hearing.
Commissioners Kapsner and Groger commented that they do not see a problem with the proposal
as now presented.
MOVED by Groger, seconded by Pentel and motion carried unanimously to recommend to the City
Council approval of the proposed lot consolidation, subject to the conditions outlined by staff, as
noted above.
III. Informal Public Hearing -Comprehensive Plan Maq Amendment
Applicant: Twin City Townhomes, Inc.
Address: 912 North Lilac Drive
Purpose: To amend the Comprehensive Plan Map from low density to medium density
to allow fora 10-unit townhome development to be placed on three separate
lots
IV. Informal Public Hearing -Rezoning and Planned Unit Development -Preliminary
Design Plan Review
Applicant: Twin City Townhomes, Inc.
Address: 912 North Lilac Drive
Purpose: Rezone the property from Open Development to Multiple Dwelling (M-1);
and Preliminary Design Plan Review fora 10-unit townhome development
to be placed on three separate lots
Director Mark Grimes gave a summary of his report to the Planning Commission noting that there
were three issues to be reviewed, and required a recommendation to the City Council.
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The three issues are: 1) to amend the Comprehensive Plan Map from low density (1-4 units per
acre) to medium density (5-12 units per acre); 2) rezone 912 No. Lilac Drive from Open
Development to Multiple Family (M-1); and 3) the property will become a Planned Unit
Development due to setback issues and the shared driveway. This type of proposal is consistent
with what has been done in the past.
Director Grimes talked about the size of the lot and reviewed the.zoning of the properties which
abut the proposal and directly across Hwy. 100. Mr. Grimes also told the Commission that
according to the MnDOT, Hwy. 100, in this vicinity, will be one of the first areas to be updated
because of the Hwy. 100 overpass. He also commented that the frontage roads, on both sides of
Hwy. 100 would be part of the update from the railroad tracks up to Thotland. MnDOT will be
requesting approximately 30 feet of right-of-way from this property which will reduce the size of the
.proposed lot.
Mr. Grimes talked about the policy of the Housing Plan. Staff encourages different types of
housing for different income categories and age cycles; these categories fit the City's goals of the
Livable Communities Act.
Director Grimes told the Commission that it is very difficult to find locations in Golden Valley for
townhome development. He believes that this is one location where this type of development
could occur, especially if the parcel to the south and east could be included. The parcel to the
south is zoned open development; asingle-family home is located on this lot, which is
approximately the same size as the proposed lot. The outlot to the east is zoned single-family
residential and is used as a buffer for the owner who lives on Toledo Avenue. This outlot has a 14
foot access (east to west) over the south side of the proposed lot. Director Grimes also talked
about whether the proposed development could go ahead without the southern lot and how well it
could be done. He has talked with the City Engineer who commented that if the proposed lot and
southern lot were developed at the same time, it could then share a common road. Director -
.Grimes also talked about the unlikely possibility of extending Unity Avenue to the south because.. of
the grade difference and that it would be easier to have a driveway off the frontage road.
Also discussed was the traffic of 9 trips per day per unit. Staff believe that once Hwy. 100 is
updated this would not be a problem. The City Engineer did not believe that the 90-100 trips per
day would be a problem either.
Director Grimes commented that the Comprehensive Plan Map amendment would have to be
reviewed by the Metro Council who will look at the affect that the development may have on the
highway system and park system. They will review the City's livable community goals which were
submitted to them. He talked about the rezoning of the property and the owners of the lot to the
south being most affected; they have been looking at an empty lot for many years and now they
would be looking at a 10-unit development. Mr. Grimes questioned whether this rezoning would
be considered spot zoning which staff believe is not because-this is a large enough parcel which
can accommodate the proposed townhomes. He speculated that if the site was zoned to single-
family residential that this lot could accommodate approximately four or five houses with a cul-de-
sac and could be in the range of more affordable homes. He said that the southern lot would still
be affected by about 50 trips per day.
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The City Engineering Department has reviewed the plans and submitted a review outlining issues
that need to be addressed, i.e. how the lot can handle sanitary sewer and water. These
improvements would be handled by the developer. The plan will be reviewed by the Watershed
District. The Engineering Department believes water on the site can be handled by ponding on the
site or off-site. Fire and Inspections have found the design to be acceptable.
Director Grimes said that a park dedication fee would be changed, probably $500 per lot, because
this is a new development.
Director Grimes briefly discussed the landscaping on the proposed development saying that the
Commission may want to recommend that the developer give more attention to the surrounding
area and particularly the southern side of the development regarding landscaping. The developer
and City may want te'work with the City Forester to see which of the better trees are worth saving.
:::Director Grimes told the Commission that there are some tough issues to be addressed with this
:..:::development regarding the amendment to the Comprehensive Land Use Map and Rezoning, and
what are the important issues to be addressed, i.e. alternative housing in Golden Valley. Staff
believe that this is a logical location for a townhome development if done well and with minimal
effects on the surrounding property owners. He told the Commission that when reviewing the
PUD, they could suggest conditions that would make this lot developable minimizing the effect on
the surrounding property owners.
Commissioner Pentel asked staff if she was correct in saying, that at the south side of the property.
there would be a variance of 19 feet from the required 25 feet which included the 14 foot easement
for a driveway for the outlot located on the east side of the proposed development. Staff answered
yes. Mr. Grimes commented that the driveway situation creates a problem in that it minimizes the
amount of landscaping that can be done on those 14 feet. Commissioner Pentel commented that
although the developer would be marketing the townhomes to empty nesters and senior citizens,.:. it
is not assured that .owners of the townhomes would come from this segment of the market.
Commissioner Pentel was also concerned about the middle unit not having access to the rear yard
unless the owner went out the front door and went around the building. She asked staff who
would make the decision to have steps constructed to the rear yard. Director Grimes commented
that the developer could answer that question, although stairs are permitted to go into the setback
area. Commissioner Pentel also asked staff if there is anything in the code that would preclude
owners from using their garage space as living space. Director Grimes commented that the
Planning Commission can accept the plans of the PUD showing the two garage spaces per unit.
Chair Prazak asked Mr. Grimes to comment on the outlot and the impact this proposal may have
on it. Mr. Grimes commented that the outlot does not have direct access to the street. He
believes that somehow when Thotland's Twin View Terrace 2nd Addition was developed, an
easement was granted to the Outlot for access out to No. Lilac Drive. Mr. Grimes also
commented that the owner of the Outlot had no idea that an easement existed, that he had bought
the property as a buffer to the west. Grimes also commented that outlots are not allowed today;
every .lot needs to have access to a street.
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Commissioner Kapsner asked staff about MnDOT's plans if the access to the service road was
going to connect Duluth Street to the north. Commissioner Pentel said that she had seen the
plans and did not believe there was access to Duluth Street but to Golden Valley Road.
Commissioner Kapsner commented that there. is limited access to this area.
Forrest Harstad, owner of Twin City Townhomes, commented that he has been constructing new
homes since the mid-70's and that he builds and develops full neighborhoods of affordable
townhomes in the value price range. Mr. Harstad commented on Commissioner Pentel's concern
of the middle unit and no direct access to the rear yard. Mr. Harstad said that that particular
building has walk out basements to the rear yard, the patio will be under the deck. Commissioner
Pentel asked Mr. Harstad if there was a grade at this particular building so a walkout was feasible;
Mr. Harstad said yes. Commissioner Pentel asked if the other two buildings had walkouts and if
they had steps from their decks. Mr. Harstad commented that the other two buildings had look-out
basements and the decks did not have stairs. He believed that the. owners could go through the
townhome association requesting stairs for their decks. -
Chair Prazak told the Commission and audience that two communications had been received
regarding this proposal
Chair Prazak opened the informal public hearing.
The people listed below-were against the proposed townhome development for one or more of the '
following reasons:
• Previous Council had stated that this area would be single-family residential.
• Believes area should remain single-family residential
• Disturbed about amendment to Comprehensive Plan Map from one unit per acre to six units
per acre.
• Concerns that townhomes will become rental property.
• Concerns with low areas and water runoff or stagnant water. -
• Concerns with roadway system and little traffic control in this area.
• Doesn't believe this will be empty nester housing and would like area to remain the same so
children can grow up in a safe area.
• Believes that development would violate the spirit and intent of the neighborhood -- area is
secluded, little traffic and good area to raise children.
• Believes that townhome development does not relate to the neighborhood.
• Doesn't believe that construction of townhomes would be up-to-par with the homes located in
this area (visited site of already-built townhomes).
• Would like the Commission and Council to make a decision that will improve the City as a
whole.
• Concerned about the variance request on the north side of the proposed property and the lack
of remaining greenspace and landscaping.
Loren Dekko, 5321 Thotland Road
John Miller, 1025 Unity Ave. No.
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Joyce. Miller, 1025 Unity Ave.. No,
Sidney Robin, 921 Toledo Ave. No.
Norma Molina, 1100 Toledo Ave. No.
Steve Robin, 5901 Laurel Avenue
lone Siegel, 930 Toledo Ave. No.
Sheltie Reed, 1040 Toledo Ave. No.
Steve and Konni Yingst, 900 No. Lilac Drive, live directly south of proposed development. They
are concerned with their children's safety because of the increased traffic. They had thought that
when the northern property would be developed, their land would be developed at the same time,
although they are not ready to think about developing their property at this time. They would like
their children to grow up on this land because of the space and privacy, but have not ruled out
future development. The Yingst's believe that development of these properties should be delayed
.to a time after the frontage road/Hwy.100 project has .been completed and new traffic patterns are
established. Mrs. Yingst asked the Commission and Council to take time in considering this
request and that when a decision is made, the City can be proud of the outcome.
Chair Prazak closed the informal public hearing.
Commissioner Pentel told the Commission that she lives directly east of the proposal.
Commissioner Kapsner commented that he does have some concerns, one being the increased
traffic per day.
Chair Prazak also said that he was concerned because the proposed development does not
address the parcel to the south and east and isolates the single-family home, to the south, from
the rest of the neighborhood:
Commissioner Johnson said she was concerned that the owners of the southern property and
outlot, could go into perpetuity on waiting to develop, preventing development on this property.
Commissioner Pentel commented that if this development would go forward., the City would be
setting the standard for development of the properties to the south and east.
Chair Prazak commented that he sees no compelling reason to change the Comprehensive Plan
Map or zoning of the property at this time. The lot could be divided into four or five single-family
lots.
Commissioner Kapsner said that the best plan for the best use is to wait for a developer to put
together all three pieces of property, instead of separating the properties.
Commissioner Groger commented that even if all three parcels were combined, he was not sure
he would vote for a higher density use on the site.
Commissioner Lewis said she believes that the site needs to be developed and that housing is
needed in the City, but the residents have come out to let the Planning Commission know how
they feel about the development. She said she is concerned about the variance requests.
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Commissioner Pentel commented favorably on Mr. Harstad's attempt to contact the neighbors by
inviting them to an open house, of another development he was completing.
Commissioner Kapsner said that the Planning Commission and residents need to think about
needed housing in Golden Valley other than single-family housing; this is a very important issue for
the City to address. He said that if this were rental housing he would not even consider the
request and is surprised by the overwhelming objection of this development.
Chair Prazak commented that townhome developments have their place and don't need to be
feared, but he has concerns that this would be an isolated townhome development and would like
to see a development that deals with the southern property and eastern outlot.
MOVED by Pentel, seconded by Groger and motion carried unanimously to recommend to the City
Council to deny the request to amend the Comprehensive Land Use Map from low density to
medium density.
MOVED by Pentel, seconded by Groger and motion carried unanimously to recommend to the City
Council to deny the request to rezone the property from Open Development to Multiple Dwelling
(M-1).
MOVED by Pentel, seconded by Groger and motion carried unanimously to recommend to the City
council to deny the request for PUD No. 73-Preliminary Design Plan.
V. Reports on Meetings of the Housing and Redevelopment Authoritv~~ Council}
and Board of Zoning Ap eals
Chair Prazak reported on the meeting he attended concerning McDonald's request fora
Conditional Use Permit.
VI. Other Business
A. Discussions with Mayor Anderson
Chair Prazak acknowledged Mayor Mary Anderson's presence and welcomed her to the
discussion of Valley Square items. She told the Commission that their meeting of tonight was very
well done. Mayor Anderson told the Commission that the Council voted 2-3 against doing anything
with the old post office site. Some members were concerned that the Planning Commission had
not had input on the use of this piece of property. The Council directed the bids to be delayed and
to direct staff to have the streetscape finished and return to the Council with an interim use of the
site. As one of the liaisons to the Commission, Mayor Anderson had volunteered to solicit their
opinion as to long term use.
Several Commissioners indicated that they thought additional Civic Center parking was needed on
an occasional basis. Commissioner Lewis asked if McDonald's still had an interest in the site.
Mayor Anderson told her that McDonald's wanted to lease or rent a portion of the lot for parking.
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Commissioner Pentel suggested that at least part of the site be used for a public plaza with a "buy
a brick" concept like Robbinsdale has used with great success.
Mayor Anderson said that the assumption is that when the City is able to acquire the remainder of
Area B, there will be another citizen's task force and that this Commission will be involved, but the
old post office lot is on hold until property in Area B is acquired.
Commissioner Johnson asked Mayor Anderson if the old post office site would be parking. Mayor
Anderson said that the site would have a smooth surface for parking and was not sure if a building
could be constructed, but there has been some brainstorming for a use for the site. Commissioner
Johnson thought that a farmers market was a good idea but where would everyone park. Mayor
Anderson cautioned the Commission not to dismiss ideas just because there might be a problem.
:..City Planner Knoblauch asked Mayor Anderson about the City Council hearing concerning the
housing element. Mayor Anderson said that the housing element was on the schedule for
discussion at an upcoming City/Manager meeting in October. She said that discussion of the
housing element had been delayed because the City Council had not had an opportunity to delve
into the reading of the materials submitted, but that she did not feel the Council had any particular
problem with the excellent work done on the Plan by the Commission.
B. Discussion of Retail Sales in the Industrial Zoning District along I-394
Director Grimes told the Commission that he had been approached by several developers
concerning retail sales along I-394. He continued by telling the Commission that many of the
buildings and lots are nonconforming. Staff believe that the market has changed in this area due
to the reconstruction of I-394 and other freeways and developers believe the best use would be
retail. Director Grimes asked the. Commission if this is something that they would like to visit.
Commissioner McAleese said that he would be willing to look at this issue but does not believe
there is an answer because of the nonconformities of the existing buildings. Director Grimes said
that the problems seem to be parking and setback issues.
Chair Prazak said staff and the Commission should address this issue and specify how the City
would like to see retail and what conditions need to be attached.
Commissioner Lewis suggested that the I-394 corridor have a special land use designation.
Commissioner Groger asked about looking at the Comprehensive Map. City Planner Knoblauch
said that she would like to see the park and housing plan updated before looking at other elements
of the Comprehensive Plan. Commissioner Groger suggested looking at the entire plan to see if
there needs to be a special district. City Planner Knoblauch said that I-394 is fairly unique. The
Commission asked staff to put together an October tour of the I-394 area.
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C. Planning Commission Representative for the Board of Zoning Appeals
(BZA) Meetings of September 24, 1996
Commissioner Lewis said that she could attend the BZA meeting of September 24 as the Planning
Commission representative.
VII. Adjournment
Chair Prazak adjourned the Golden Valley Planning Commission meeting at 9:15 PM.
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