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10-26-1960i�:inutes of the Regular Meeting PARK AND RECREATION COMIISSION OF Village of Golden Valley October 26, 1960 7:10 P. '14. The Park and Recreation Commission of the Village of Golden Valley met at its regular monthly meeting at the Village Hall, tiTednesday, October 26, at 7:10 P.M. Present were Stockman, Byrnes, Petersen, .Ewald, Green, Sullivan, Scheffler, Ulstad, Snetsinger, Reed and Sullivan. The minutes of the previous meeting were approved with one correction. Under BUDGET , the sentence The Commission feels that with the millage rate going up each year, 3.5 mills will take care of our needs was changesto-read The Commission feels the t- with the assessed valuation going up each year, 3.5 mills will take care of our needs. The Commission held a general discussion on the questions it will, ask T.r. Doell when he visits our meeting later tonight. BUDGET: Mr. Ulstad passed out a sheet covering our 1961 447,600. budget broken down by departments. The purchase of equipment was discussed, and it was decided we will make no major purchases until Spring. Our full-time Director can dis- cuss our needs with Tdtr. Denzin at that time. For this hinter -we can use Village equipment. Tor. Ulstad will discuss the necessity of the immediate purchase of any small equipment wl. th 314,r. Denzin. SKATING ARELS: The Commission and lex. Ulstad held a general discussion on the skating areas fbr this Winter. Mr. Uls tad will discuss the following list of possible locations with I4r. Denzin, and report at our next meeting. 1. The Church at the S.71. corner of Medicine Lake Road and 1111innetka. 2. Northern part of Golden Oaks Park at Ylesley Drive. 3. Golden Oaks Park. 4. Z'lestviewSchool. 5. Lions Club Park - three rinks. 6. Seeman Park. 7, Natchez Park - two rinks. S. Honeywell land - East side of Douglas. 9. Carl Sandberg School - John Sullivan will check this one. 10. Papoose Park. 11. Noble School. 12. Scheid Park. 13. Regent Park. 14. Golden Valley High School. This is a total of 17 possible rinks. The Commission agreed on three factors which must be taken into consideration before it can consider to provide a skating area on any land that is not park property.: 1. The land must be located in an area where we cannot provide any other skating facilities. 2. The Village must be in a position to maintain the location. 3. The location must be open to the Abulic. Mr. Ulstad will make maintenance provisions that our rinks will be cleaned on week ends, if we should have any heavy snows during this time. LIGHTS AT GOLDEN OAKS PARK: Lir. Snetsinger reported that the lights are now up, and that 11lorthern States Power should supply the power by next week. We now have lights at Seeman, Natchez, Papoose, Lions, the High School and Golden Oaks. S<'tI 1TV!ING POOL PROJECT: 11r. Green reports the Committee has held no recent meetings. The Commission held a general discussion, and decided to table the Swimming Pool Project until some future date. October 26, 1960, Minutes continued: 11R. CHARIES DOELL: 'Ir. Doell was introduced to the Commission. The following is a resume of his talk with us. The questions are by the Park Commission, and the answers are by Mr. _Doell. QUESTION: We have $242.1 in Bond Issue monies left. Can. you give ue your thinking on shelters for Golden Valley? MVER How many locations do you have in mind, and how many shelters do you want? How much money do you want to spend? You will probably want to Put something a little larger in Lions than in any of your other locations, and Lions Park should be well planned before you do anything. You can spend anywhere from $1021 to �T�4021 - depending on construction and material. The golf shelter building cost ,$7500., and it is not too far off from the general plan you might want. This shelter has two toilets, a place for the serving of re- freshments and a little terrace. You might use this elan except that the toilets should be larger. You would, also, want a place for mechanical equipment, and a place for the equipment that is used in the field such as a mower, etc. You would want one end of the building built so that it could be opened in the Summer, but closed in the 17inter. This would add to the cost of $7500., but $15111would do it for sure. The constructions would be the same -- wood and some brick -- but no ceramic tile. You might use country block. However, this building could easily be defaced. In Lions Park you should have the Entire park designed first so that you know about locations, so that no mistakes are made in grades and to make sure that everything fits. Grades look simple, but this is not so. The building should be permanent. You should spend $152. to !?20M at this location. On a recent trip I saw some toilet buildings similar to what we build it Minne- apolis. They were supplied witL water, had sewage .disposals, one room for supplies and two toilets. They were constructed on the outside *ith country block, and cement ena_me 1 was used on the inside. They cost $2T2l to $3021 each. This does not include the black -top outside. They are heated with a blower system which has been very successful. Sitilar shelters in Minneapolis cost from $35TH to -$402.:. A shelter should be a deface -proof as possible, should be constructed so that maintenance is kept at a minimum and should be as automatically operated as possible. Golden Valley's shelters will have to be taken care of, and I know you will want them well designed from an appearance standpoint. Your Village Engineering Department could help. QUESTION: If you were sitting on the Park Commission, would you start with smaller shelters, or m uld you construct one at Lions? AN91iER: Lions Park will be your Community Center Park. Golden Valley should only have one such park. This park needs to be very carefully designed. Get this design first, and take your time with a shelter. Do not construct it this year. Take any park you want to, and lay your plans now. Any park that grows up in a haphazard way e r-' s up being hard to work wi th and hard to operate. The designing probl6m is for an expert. Get your plans, and then start working. I feel.that Lions is the first need, but if you do not have enough money for this park, go elsewhere. Lions should have two toilets, room for mechanical equipment, and, also, room for any tools that are needed in that location. You will need room for a mower and etc., if a man is going to work there. However, if a crew comes in, you don't need an equipment storage room. The Recreation Director must have a place where he can be alone, an area that may be locked up. You must have a small area for refreshments. You will want an open terrace that can be en- closed in .the Winter with slidding doors. You will want a skate changing room with an area of boxes to be used for checking personal articles without the use of an attendent. This room sixruld be big enough to carry on craft activities in the Summer, but not so big that it becomes a loafing room in the VFinter. QUESTION: How do you feel about the Pease Dome at Golden Oaks? October 26. 1960. _?inutes continued: QUESTION: How do you feel about a swimming pool for Golden Valley? ANS4'4'ER: Have you ever thought of getting together with Plymouth and using th will be big, and Medicine Lake might iAedicine Lake? In a few years Plymou be improved. You should keep in mind that a swimming; pool is a capital investment, but, also, there would be some operating expenses. I know pools are popular, but I have never thought they should come first. I believe the people should come to you, you should not go to the people. However, you should be ready with a location when the people do come. QUESTION: You know that the Lions Club has come to us regarding a Swimming Pool Project, and that a Committee to investigate this matter has been formed? ANSEFZ: A swimming pool should go in a play -field type of park such as Lions. It may be worth the extra money to put it there. QUESTION: Traffic in Lions is bad. ANgTM: Things change with the tames, and parking is one of them. Now schools need parking, and this was not true a few years ago. A central parking area may be used b -r different activities which operate at different times. QUESTTON: Lions Park is a play -field t pe of park. Would it be fair to ask you at this time if we should improve this park rather than improve other parks in the Village? ANS17ER: This would seem logical, but I do not know enough about it. You must have a plan first. I would recommend that you take the parks, one by one, and mke a picture. QUESTION: 'J`lhen we have all of our sketches, should we complete one park? ANSWER: When you go after a Bond Issue you may have to appeal to a dif- ferent part of your Village. You have to judge the temper of your people. I feel you would have to improve various sections of town, if you are going to get another Bond Issue* QUESTION: Bond Issue 'has been well spent, but it doesn't show. AN=: How are you planting? Q?JT�STION: We have not done much planting. AuNOIC,R: You can put in some things that don't cost a lot. QUESTION: What are your philosophies on a full time Director: ANSWER: He should have a recreation background with experience, and he should know how to care for park facilities. He should know the horticulture end of the business. The University of 'Minnesotahas a Recreation School, but it cines not have a school for Parks and Horticulture. There are a few park :management schools, but I do not feel you would be able to hire a graduate from one of them. You need a man with all-around experience, but you may have to take a man fresh out of school -- perhaps someone from the University of Minn eso ta. ANSWM1 : I have no opinion. In some areas for Summer it will do the job of supplying sin de. A general discussion on the different types of parks followed. ."fir. Doell stated that Golden Valley should have twice as much park area as it now has for its ultimate population, and that now is a time to acquire land. Jr. Doell was advised that we have a minimum amount of the land we need at the present time, that we have layouts of our various parks and of the way we are proceeding to secure additional land. Mir. Doell stated he will be more than happy to review our sketches, and correct and advise. QUESTION: How do you feel about a swimming pool for Golden Valley? ANS4'4'ER: Have you ever thought of getting together with Plymouth and using th will be big, and Medicine Lake might iAedicine Lake? In a few years Plymou be improved. You should keep in mind that a swimming; pool is a capital investment, but, also, there would be some operating expenses. I know pools are popular, but I have never thought they should come first. I believe the people should come to you, you should not go to the people. However, you should be ready with a location when the people do come. QUESTION: You know that the Lions Club has come to us regarding a Swimming Pool Project, and that a Committee to investigate this matter has been formed? ANSEFZ: A swimming pool should go in a play -field type of park such as Lions. It may be worth the extra money to put it there. QUESTION: Traffic in Lions is bad. ANgTM: Things change with the tames, and parking is one of them. Now schools need parking, and this was not true a few years ago. A central parking area may be used b -r different activities which operate at different times. QUESTTON: Lions Park is a play -field t pe of park. Would it be fair to ask you at this time if we should improve this park rather than improve other parks in the Village? ANS17ER: This would seem logical, but I do not know enough about it. You must have a plan first. I would recommend that you take the parks, one by one, and mke a picture. QUESTION: 'J`lhen we have all of our sketches, should we complete one park? ANSWER: When you go after a Bond Issue you may have to appeal to a dif- ferent part of your Village. You have to judge the temper of your people. I feel you would have to improve various sections of town, if you are going to get another Bond Issue* QUESTION: Bond Issue 'has been well spent, but it doesn't show. AN=: How are you planting? Q?JT�STION: We have not done much planting. AuNOIC,R: You can put in some things that don't cost a lot. QUESTION: What are your philosophies on a full time Director: ANSWER: He should have a recreation background with experience, and he should know how to care for park facilities. He should know the horticulture end of the business. The University of 'Minnesotahas a Recreation School, but it cines not have a school for Parks and Horticulture. There are a few park :management schools, but I do not feel you would be able to hire a graduate from one of them. You need a man with all-around experience, but you may have to take a man fresh out of school -- perhaps someone from the University of Minn eso ta. October 26, 1960, Minutes continued: QUESTION: Can a person dig out information, if he does not have the experience? ANSPVER: Yes, I have been digging for 50 years. QUT33TION: Nhat salary do you feel we will have to pay a full time man? We have set '6500. as the minimum. ANSWER: You could get a good man for 7M or see"B"S a year. QUESTION: Should we make pari; maintenance a part of the job? ANS'NrR: If you are not in a hurry, write to the American Institute of Park Executives. Tell them the salary, and what you want. QUETION: Should the plans for the parks be in the form a layman can read or should they be architect's drawir_gs? ANS72: If they will be shown to the people, it m uld help to have them in color. Mr. Doell stated that he will be away from Minneapolis during the first two months of 1961. We will call him when the sketches we already have are ready for discussion, and he wi ll come to the Village Hall, RECREATION REPORT: Mr. Reed's report is attached. The Commission and Mr. Reed held a general discussion on pull -over jerseys for football, basketball and hockey. Dr. Petersen made a motion that we purchase 4 dozen sleeve -less pull- over jerseys at $53.00. The motion was seconded and carried. The Commission, Mr. Ulstad and 11r. Reed held a general discussion on applications for the hiring of a full time Recreation man. It was decided that we must im- mediately advertise for a man. Mr. Ulstad will call Dr. Fitzgerald, and will then prepare the farm. Both Dr. Fitzgerald and 1.2r. Doell have offered their services duri.n` the interviews with the applicants. There being no further business, a motion was made to adjourn the meeting at 10:25. The motion was seconded and carried. / /�'V (2 772 Attest: Cha. i rm 1 1 1 RECIii!'AT 1014 HEi 0, TO PARK C01-JU ISSION 10-26- ,bo 1. Fall football progra,n is going vorry ;.ell. All conches (6) report that they have at least 30 boys on each team every Saturday morning. Total registration is 207. 2. Basketball program vrdll begin on 11ovember 19th or December 3rd. Ogen to discussion by this group. Hockey uri.11 have to be delayed to see weather conditions. 3. Request permission to pi_archa,se four dozen pull -over jerseys ( sleeve -less ) at X53.00 These would be used in football, baskett)all and hockey. 4. 14r. Fitzgerald advises that o;-- advertise tiro-• gh the Nat�_ona? Recreation Association. This is sent to every college and active Recreation Dept. in the country. (See sanpla) This is done without any ehar;e to us. fie also had these poltntts concerning our full -tine director: 1. Request at least •luso years experience 2. He jai 11 meet iv ith the .hoard end :tom. Ulstad atter our preliminary screening, and give his help and/or reco.m-.,ndations on the final 8.10 candidates. 3. jlllovr a month for screening and interviews, and after our selection is made, give the neer man 30 drays at his present job to finish up there. 4. Be particular -- - tie feels that our position is a good one, and. we can be very discriminative as to our choice. 5a Start the neer lean Januawry .. this is an ideal time to z ot&n a new jobs and al lows adequate time for orientation to the community, park needs etc. before the surium-r program. 6. Personal note - - he said that John Brenna (Idaho now) has developed pranks in his present job, and attanded several workshops, conventions etc. regarding; Park Dove!opnten-4. 5. Dr. Puesner is curious a« to the current status of our sraimming Fool committeo, 6, .rx. Fitzgerald said that Jerry Ferguson has had to drop out of school and vzrk full-time n(nY that his .rife is expecting, and this means he Will not; f -et his degree vxitil June of 601/, 7, 1 don't Dave access to any Ivua .football tickets - - at any price. liourever; if you Wish to sell any, I ?night add that the going rate now is ;$50.00 a pair. Respectfu_"! ly9 on i . Reed Recreation Consultant In