02-09-15 PC Minutes Regular Meeting of the
Golden Valley Planning Commission
February 9, 2015
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was held at the Golden Valley City Hall,
Council Chambers, 7800 Golden Valley Road, Golden Valley, Minnesota, on Monday,
February 9, 2015. Chair Kluchka called the meeting to order at 7 pm.
Those present were Planning Commissioners Baker, Blum, Cera, Johnson (arrived at
7:23), Kluchka, Segelbaum, and Waldhauser. Also present was Planning Manager Jason
Zimmerman and Administrative Assistant Lisa Wittman.
1. Approval af Minutes
January 26, 2015, Regular Planning Commission Meeting
Baker referred to the sixth paragraph on page 2 and asked that the first sentence be
changed to read "Baker asked how the status of the covenant would affect the rezoning."
Baker referred to fifth paragraph on page 3 and noted that the word "will" should be
changed to the word "willing."
MOVED by Cera, seconded by Waldhauser and motion carried unanimously to approve
the January 26, 2015, minutes with the above noted corrections. Kluchka abstained from
voting.
2. Informal Public Hearing — Final PUD Plan — Sweeney Lake Woods — 1801
Noble Drive — PU-120
Applicant: The Lecy Group
Addresses: 1801 Noble Drive
Purpose: To allow for the reconfiguration of the one existing single family
property into a new three-lot single family development
Zimmerman stated that the Applicant is seeking approval of a PUD to create three single
family lots with access via a shared driveway. He explained that the project consists of
two parcels, a vacant lot 3.27 acres in size, and a 20-foot wide parcel containing a
driveway. He stated that Lot 1 will be 37,494 square feet, Lot 2 will be 26,632 square
feet, and Lot 3 will be 24,834 square feet, all of which are greater than the minimum
required lot size of 10,000 square feet. He added that if not for the lack of adequate
frontage on a public street, this proposal could be reviewed as a minor subdivision rather
than a PUD.
Zimmerman discussed how the Final PUD plans differ from the Preliminary PUD plans
including: the expanded width of the shared private driveway from 16' to 18', the
increased diameter of the cul-de-sac from 60' to 70', and relocating the stormwater
filtration basin to the rear of Lot 3 which addresses concerns about co-location with the
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snow storage area. He discussed how this proposed PUD compares with the underlying
zoning district and explained that an outlot will contain the driveway, the cul-de-sac and
the snow storage area.
Zimmerman referred to the utility plans and explained that typically 10 feet of separation
between water and sanitary sewer is required. However, the limited width of the driveway
parcel and the presence of an existing sanitary sewer line makes that impossible. He
stated that the Applicant has received special exceptions regarding construction techniques
which will allow the utilities to be installed legally.
Zimmerman referred to a plan showing the wetland buffer area and stated that the PUD
standards adopted in 2004 require a 25-foot buffer around wetlands. However, the
Bassett Creek Watershed Management Commission now recommends a more fine-
grained approach based on the type and condition of wetland being buffered. In this
case, a 10-foot buffer is the recommendation.
Zimmerman referred to a site plan and reminded the Commission that at their review of
the Preliminary PUD Plan the condition of limiting utilities and further access to the
shared driveway was adopted. However, the recently subdivided properties to the east
will result in a long utility line and a long driveway running roughly parallel with the
existing shared driveway which is not ideal. One option, if the parties agree, is to allow
access to the shared driveway in order to have a shorter and less redundant driveway
system. Currently, the only way access would be allowed to the shared driveway is
through a PUD Amendment. He added that allowing future access from the cul-de-sac to
the parcel to the west would be prohibited because the current PUD has the restriction of
not allowing any further access to the shared driveway. He stated that he is
recommending that the condition regarding access to the private driveway be amended
to state that no additional driveway or utility access shall be allowed without a PUD
amendment.
Segelbaum asked if there is a third property that also accesses the existing shared
driveway. Zimmerman said yes, the property at 1807 Noble Drive accesses the shared
driveway, however, it also has frontage on Noble Drive that could be used for a driveway.
Segelbaum asked if the language regarding additional access to the driveway should state
that what is being proposed in this PUD plan would be permitted, but anything proposed
after this PUD would not. Zimmerman stated that all of the conditions will be spelled out in
the PUD Permit.
Cera asked if the Applicant has had any discussions with the owner of Lot 2 (the recently
subdivided property to the east) regarding his driveway accessing the existing private
driveway. Zimmerman said he is not sure if discussions have occurred between the
property owners, but Mr. Lecy has expressed interest in exploring the possibilities. He
added that the City would like to see consolidation of the driveways and utilities or
additional width added to the private driveway.
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Baker noted that the City Council voted 4 to 1 to approve the Preliminary Plan for this
proposal and asked for information on the dissenting vote. Zimmerman said there was
concern about three homes being in an area where the access was somewhat restricted.
Blum said he is concerned about access for the landlocked parcel to west. Zimmerman
stated that the area he was referring to for future access to the west is slightly south of the
landlocked parcel. He added that if access were granted for the property to the west, the
snow storage area would have to be relocated.
Waldhauser asked if the new landowner to the east agreed to give some of their land in
order to widen the driveway, how close that would come to making the driveway a street.
Zimmerman said he thinks the potential is there, if the parties want to work together.
Baker asked Zimmerman to review what led to the City Engineer to propose a reduction in
the wetland buffer. Zimmerman stated that the City Engineer and the Bassett Creek
Watershed Management Commission are recommending a 10-foot buffer and that
Planning Staff is deferring to their recommendation. He reiterated that it is the PUD
ordinance that differs from the Bassett Creek Watershed Management Commission's
standards. He added that there is some latitude in this case regarding the size of the
wetland buffer. Baker asked if the buffer area shown in the Preliminary PUD plans was 25
feet. Zimmerman stated that the original plans showed a 25-foot buffer before they went to
the Bassett Creek Watershed Management Commission for review. Waldhauser said she
would guess that the 25-foot buffer requirement in the PUD ordinance was probably meant
for a higher density project, since that is typically when PUDs are used.
Roy Lecy, Applicant, said he has never heard of requiring an additional 15 feet of wetland
buffer. He said his plans have always shown a 10-foot buffer and he doesn't feel he should
be held to a higher standard than any other proposal. He referred to the discussion
regarding the owner of the property to the east accessing the private driveway and said he
thinks it makes sense, but he would like to keep the process simple. Kluchka said this is a
complicated PUD and he thinks it would be appropriate to go through the PUD amendment
process.
Segelbaum asked Lecy if he would build the driveway and utilities differently if he knew the
property to the east might access it. Lecy said no, but he would make provisions for the
trees.
Blum asked Lecy what the hardship would be if the wetland buffer was 25 feet. Lecy said
the soil conditions really deteriorate past where the buffer is located. He said he may need
the 15 feet for the construction of the house because it is as close to the cul-de-sac as it
can be. He added that it could also affect the grading of the properties.
Waldhauser asked if the infiltration basin is intended to drain all three of the proposed lots.
Lecy said no, it is for a portion of Lot 2 and all of Lot 3. Lot 1 will have natural filtration
where it always has. He stated that the proposed 10-foot wetland buffer will increase the
water quality over what is there now.
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Kluchka opened the public hearing.
Jeff Haines, 1550 St. Croix Circle, requested that the original driveway and access
easement across Lot 1 be left as an easement and not incorporated in an outlot with the
driveway, cul-de-sac and snow storage area.
Zimmerman said he understands Mr. Haines's concern about future access to his property,
but he doesn't think anything will be allowed to be built in the proposed outlot, just like in an
easement, but that he would confirm that with the City Engineer and the City Attorney.
Cera asked if Mr. Haines and the Applicant have talked about allowing future access.
Zimmerman stated that the future homeowner's association would need to be involved in
discussions as well especially when there is potential for broader development in the
future. He added that the City would not have the authority to require an access point to the
west. Cera asked if the land to west is subdividable. Zimmerman said yes, there are three
parcels that could be replatted a number of ways. Cera stated that the private driveway
could potentially have several more homes accessing it. Zimmerman agreed and stated
that the PUD Permit would need to be amended for any changes to the driveway access.
Christopher Gise, 1485 Island Drive, said he is confused because it has been said that the
proposed 10-foot wetland buffer is consistent with Hidden Lakes, but the shoreland buffer
on his property is 50 feet. He asked if this proposed PUD plan defines the building pads or
the building envelope area because Hidden Lakes properties had defined building pads. He
asked if anything goes as long as they are not in the buffer area.
Seeing and hearing no one else wising to comment, Kluchka closed the public hearing.
Kluchka asked if the proposal defines the building footprint or a buildable area. Zimmerman
said in this case, the plans define the building envelope because the homes will custom fit
to each lot. Kluchka asked if that is right for this development, and if it is consistent with
what is across the lake. Zimmerman said these are generous sized lots and having a
building envelope allows some flexibility in where the homes can be built.
Kluchka asked the Commissioners if they have thoughts about Mr. Haines' request for the
access easement. Cera said they might want to have a wider street to handle more traffic if
and when development occurs to the west. He said it would be nice if discussion could
occur between Mr. Lecy, Mr. Haines and the new property owner of Lot 2 to the east before
this proposal goes to City Council, so that the street can be built appropriately now, rather
than being made wider in the future. Kluchka suggested leaving the easement out of this
recommendation. Cera said he would not put the easement in the proposal now, but wait
until the PUD needs to be amended. Baker agreed. He added that there is an opportunity
now with new property owners and he's hearing about the likely potential of future access
to this road so he thinks the Commission needs to seriously consider requiring a public
street.
Blum asked if the road is being designed to handle the weight of a large fire truck.
Zimmerman said yes, it is required that a street be able to handle the weight of the largest
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truck needed. Blum asked if that is one of the things the City considers when differentiating
between a public or private street. Zimmerman said that is one concern along with
ownership and long-term maintenance. Blum asked if private streets aren't being
maintained or kept safe, if the City can do the maintenance and assess the property owner.
Zimmerman said he assumes the City can require maintenance to be done or assess the
property owner. He added that maintenance agreements will also be required as part of the
Development Agreement process.
Baker asked to what extent the City is compromising the normal standards of utility
construction with the proposed design. Zimmerman explained that the typical requirement
is 10 feet of separation between the sewer and water lines. He stated that the Applicant is
proposing an alternate design that is approved by the Department of Health. Kluchka
added that the intent from the engineering perspective was to use a different construction
method that would ensure the safety of the utilities. Baker said he is trying to put the entire
project into context of where the City is giving and taking.
Segelbaum questioned if the proposed utilities are sufficient to support potential future
development because he doesn't think that will be an easy thing to change. He
encouraged the neighbors ta get together and discuss future development and access.
He said he would support changing condition #4 to state that no additional driveway or
utility access shall be allowed along the private driveway without a PUD Amendment.
Baker said he is anticipating future problems with access issues.
Blum asked about trends in street widths. Zimmerman said 24 to 26 feet is typical but
when possible, narrower streets are built.
Kluchka asked the Commissioners their thoughts about the wetland buffer issue.
Segelbaum said he thinks they need clarification about the standards for wetland buffers
before this proposal goes to the City Council. Baker said that the standards are changing
as they speak. He said there is recognition of the importance of buffers in protecting water
quality and he would argue strongly for not accepting a 10-foot, or a 25-foot buffer. Blum
agreed and said there may be some flexibility on the northeast lot, but he doesn't see a
reason to deviate from the 25-faot standard in the PUD requirements. Kluchka questioned
if the City is getting enough out of this PUD to deviate from the standards. Segelbaum
said he thinks they should stick with the standards. Baker said he would like to know why
there is a 50-foot buffer across the lake and said anything they can do to help this
impaired lake they should do.
Cera referred to the lots recently subdivided to the north and asked what the wetland
buffer was in that proposal. Zimmerman said because that was a subdivision and not a
PUD, that wetland buffer is 10 feet. He added that the lots recently subdivided to the
south also have a 10-foot buffer. Kluchka reiterated that PUDs are usually done for more
intense development so that may be why the buffer standards differ. Baker said he wants
to emphasize that standards are changing now. Cera said he doesn't disagree with
having a larger buffer he just wants to remain consistent with what's been approved in
past few years. Waldhauser said this application has been under consideration for a long
time. The City has been favorable to having this area redevelop and it has been a
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struggle to get to this point for a lot of people. She said she thinks the 10-foot buffer is the
standard that is in place now. She said this project happens to be a PUD because it is
complicated, not because it's on Sweeney Lake ar because it has wetland considerations.
She said the fact that the standards may or may not be changing shouldn't be an obstacle
placed in front of this developer and she believes the standard that applies in this case is
the 10-foot buffer. Segelbaum said he doesn't know which standard should be applied.
Kluchka said the underlying zoning standard is 10 feet. Segelbaum said the PUD
standard is 25 feet and he doesn't know if they can deviate from that. Johnson said when
the proposal was submitted it was deemed acceptable. He questioned if the Commission
is discussing the difference between 10 and 25 feet, or if they are discussing that the very
act of building three houses is decreasing the water quality. He added that there was a
house on this property previously that also impacted the water quality. Kluchka said the
focus for him is if the City is getting enough value from this proposal. He reiterated that
this is only a PUD because of the private street and the lack of frontage. Baker said he is
dwelling on the buffer. He said it used to be okay to fill in wetlands and just because there
was a standard at the time doesn't mean that standard should be kept. He said he would
push for a larger wetland buffer on any project they are reviewing. Kluchka noted that a
larger buffer was not discussed on the recently subdivided property to the east.
Cera asked if they could recommend that the affected landowners speak to each other
before this proposal goes to City Council so that the future driveway access issues could
be addressed now and not have to come back for an amendment. Baker said he would
also like the owner of Lot 2 to consider widening the driveway parcel.
Segelbaum said he is concerned about the condition regarding additional access to the
driveway through the Minor PUD Amendment process. Zimmerman stated that the Zoning
Code has requirements regarding Minor versus full PUD amendments.
Baker said he would like to keep the condition requiring the wetland buffer to be 25 feet
wide. Waldhauser said she wauld not support that. Segelbaum said he would like a better
understanding of the requirements for wetland buffers. Zimmerman stated that by default,
a 25-foot buffer is a condition. He reiterated that the Engineering staff and the Bassett
Creek Watershed Management Commission have said that a 10-foot buffer is appropriate
and that the plans have always shown a 10-foot buffer. Baker questioned if the
Commission voted on a 10-foot buffer during their Preliminary Plan review. Segelbaum
said he thinks there is conflicting information.
MOVED by Kluchka, seconded by Waldhauser to recommend approval of the Final PUD
Plan for Sweeney Lake Woods, PUD #120 subject to the findings and conditions in the
staff report.
Cera noted that the staff recommendation includes the 25-foot wetland buffer.
Zimmerman stated that the discrepancy between the PUD ordinance and the
Engineering/Bassett Creek Watershed Management Commission was discovered after
his staff report was written, so Staff's recommendation is to strike condition number 3
regarding the wetland buffer. Segelbaum said that it seems to him that they are voting on
the 25-foot wetland buffer.
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Waldhauser said she would like to amend the motion to include Staff's condition with the
change in the required wetland buffer to 10 feet. She added that she would also like to
amend condition number 4 to state that no additional driveway or utility access shall be
allowed along the private driveway without a PUD Amendment. Kluchka said his intent
was to require a 10-foot wetland buffer. Zimmerman stated that striking condition number
3 would make the wetland buffer requirement 10 feet.
Segelbaum moved to amend Waldhauser's motion to state that the wetland buffer should
be set to that which is required by City Code. Baker seconded the amendment and the
motion carried 4 to 3 Commissioners Baker, Blum, Johnson and Segelbaum voted yes,
Commissioners Cera, Kluchka and Waldhauser voted no.
The Commission voted 7 to 0 to recommend approval of the Final PUD Plan for Sweeney
Lake Woods, PUD #120 as amended subject to the following findings and conditions.
Findinqs:
1. The PUD plan is tailored to the specific characteristics of the site and achieves a
higher quality of site planning and design than generally expected under
conventional provisions of the ordinance.
2. The PUD plan preserves and protects substantial desirable portions of the site's
characteristics, open space and sensitive environmental features including steep
slopes, trees, scenic views, creeks, wetlands, and open waters.
3. The PUD plan includes efficient and effective use (which includes preservation) of
the land.
4. The PUD Plan results in development compatible with adjacent uses and is
consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and redevelopment plans and goals.
5. The PUD plan is consistent with preserving and improving the general health, safety
and general welfare of the people of the City.
6. The PUD plan meets the PUD Intent and Purpose provision and all other PUD
ordinance provisions.
Conditions:
1. The plans prepared by Civil Site Group, received January 9, 2015, shall become a
part of this approval.
2. The recommendations and requirements outlined in the memo from the Engineering
Division to Jason Zimmerman, Planning Manager, dated February 5, 2015, shall
become a part of this approval.
3. The riparian buffer strip along the delineated wetland shall be that width which is
required by City Code.
4. No additional driveway or utility access shall be allowed along the private driveway
without a PUD Amendment.
5. A park dedication fee of$13,920, or 2% of the land value with credit for one unit,
shall be paid before release of the Final Plat.
6. The Final Plat shall include "P.U.D. No. 120" in its title.
7. This approval is subject to all other state, federal, and local ordinances, regulations,
or laws with authority over this development.
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--Short Recess--
5. Reports on Meetings of the Housing and Redevelopment Authority, City
Council, Board of Zoning Appeals and other Meetings
No reports were given.
6. Other Business
� Council Liaison Report
No report was given.
7. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 8:17 pm.
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Charles D. Sege aum, Secretary Lis Wittman, Administrative Assistant