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10-22-1979REGULAR MEETING OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION COMMISSION October 22, 1979 Attending: Chairman Brown, Diane Asproth, Lowell Benson, Charles Burmeister, Richard Lyons, Ray Petersen. Others present: John Brenna and Barb Bailey A tour of the Brooklyn Center Community Building preceeded the meeting. The facility was built in 1970 at a cost of $1.5 milion. The building was built around the indoor swimming pool which is six lands wide and 50 meters long. Adjacent facilities were a wading pool, patio, poolside lounge, locker rooms, exercise room, and a sauna. An average size social hall, teen lounge with canteen and game rooms, two meeting rooms (20 x 20), photographic dark room, craft workshop (15 x 15), kitchen (12 x 12), two small flexible rooms (dressing for plays, social services, etc), hall type lounge exhibit gallery, storage space (2) reception area and four staff offices. The Park and Recreation Director expressed a need for additional meeting rooms and a gymnasium. Brooklyn Center has a population of 34,000 people. Pool usage in 1978, excluding lessons and groups was 118,000 for 10 months and is projected to reach 135,000 for 1979. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brown at 9:30 p.m. MINUTES The following two corrections were made to the October 8th minutes. The second to last sentence in Staff Presentation, paragraph one, should have the word"fee" instead of few. On page three, the first paragraph, last sentence should read "some members felt that the Commission should not indicate cuts until the Council asked" Ray Petersen moved the minutes be approved as corrected. Seconded by Diane Asproth. The motion carried. OLD BUSINESS The indoor vs outdoor swimming pool issue was discussed ahead of the community center priorities. All members participated in discussion. Outdoor pool has usage and revenue from 65 to 90 days per year depending upon weather conditions. If Golden Valley Middle School indoor pool is available for community scheduling, the pool at the community center or Brookview could be an outdoor pool and possible added on later. Outdoor attendance is much greater than an indoor pool attendance for equal times, however the difference is not enough to overcome the additional nine months of usage an indoor pool would generate. New Hope and Crystal outdoor pools had operating deficits while Brooklyn Center indoor pool had a profit to reduce the total facility deficit. An indoor pool would bring people into the community center and expose them to the programs and other activities. This piggy—back effect would expand all the programs and can come from any initial program or activity. The design of a pool would be with recreation in mind and not governed by competitive program requirements. An indoor pool would need an outdoor feeling to keep up summer attendance. The community center priorities were then discussed. The preiviously identified items of basic needs and extras page two were given cost figures. The basic needs had a cost of $820,880 which included a 10% contingency and locker rooms for the gymnasium. A goal as recommended by staff was a facility for less than 1 million dollars. Such a facility would have to include the basic list plus an elevated track, health room (sauna, whirelpool and steam) one additional room (teen meeting or exercise) and 10% contingency. It was felt that to provide the necessary operation, maintenance and program of the facility without burdening the taxpayers, revenue producing activities would be necessary. Racquet ball courts and an indoor swimming pool would provide a net income to offset the other costs. A preliminary recommendation was to include the racquet ball courts (8), an indoor swimming pool, and increased locker room facilities to the above facilities for an estimated total of 1.75 million. The facility definition is only a part of the Council's charge to the Commission which is to define uses of the facility in order of priority, possible stages of construction and role of the facility in the program of the Commission and City. NEW BUSINESS Staff presented information relative to background and effect of the budget cut of $4,000 from Senior Citizens Activities Budget. The Seniors program is one of the best in the metropolitan area based upon opinions of professionals in the field. The report on the Human Services Activities was reviewed and the corrections in definition, statistics, and program as pertaining to the Senior Citizens Activities were clariried to show a very positive picture. The following motion was made by Ray Petersen and seconded by Richard Lynch. ''The Commission accepts the budget cut of $4000 but will adjust the line items involved per proposal by the Staff''. Discussion followed. Lowell Benson moved that the motion be tabled until the next meeting. Chuck Burmeister seconded the motion. The motion passed. Barbara Bailey is presenting a research paper at the Symposium on Leisure Research National Recreation and Park Association Convention in New Orleans next week. Next meeting is scheduled for November 26, 1979, at 7:30 p.m. Meeting adjourned at 12:15 a.m. hairman Brown Vice Chairman Jaffe 1